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Sept. 22, 2021

226: Why and How Online Business Success Often Comes Down to Relationships That You Must Build [The Product Boss Interview]

226: Why and How Online Business Success Often Comes Down to Relationships That You Must Build [The Product Boss Interview]

The world of advertisement has truly changed. Consumers are now savvy and smart – they know if the advertiser is genuine or not. In addition, the channels in which you can connect to your customers are continuously expanding. As a product-based business owner, you may wonder, how can I make my business a success?

Well, worry no more because, in this episode, we have the experts and the combined force behind The Product Boss Podcast -- Minna Khounlo-Sithep and Jacqueline Snyder, who will help you make your dreams come true! Join me as we learn everything you need to build a successful product-based business - and the importance that you need to always place on relationships.

Key Highlights

[01:28] Introduction of Podcast Guest, The Product Boss -- Minna Khounlo-Sithep and Jacqueline Snyder

[02:26] Who Are The Product Boss?

[03:42] How "The Product Boss" Started

[05:42] How Marketing Products Changed in the Age of Social Media

[08:46] The Most Effective Way of Connecting with Your Customer

[10:13] Will Product-Based Business Work on a Team?

[14:15] Curating the Right People to Talk About Your Brand

[17:49] Most Successful Ways to Grow a Product-Based Business Today

[21:12] The Things I Should Pay Attention as A Product-Based Business Owner

[22:46] Mistakes to Avoid When Running a Product-Based Business

[25:03] The Product Boss' Advice

[29:03] Connect with Jacqueline and Mina

Notable Quotes

  • What we've seen is people buy from people. So no matter what you're doing, if you're building a business right now, it really is about that relationship.
  • It's really about getting customers to be obsessed with you. And it's harder for them to be obsessed with you trust you feel like they're part of your life or that you resonate, or they resonate with your part of life, when it's a product that's forward facing versus a person that's telling you why the product matters to you, and why it matters to them.
  • Whenever we coach people to hire on for their team, it's values based. So you hire for values before you hire for skill, because you can always teach skill.
  • The influencer has to be able to develop their own story how they speak how they talk. That's why their audience engage with them. And so it really is about the story and how it's told by the influencer.
  • We're digital marketers, we could come up with 100 different ideas of courses, and coaching programs, and masterminds and all the things but we try and stay sort of within our niche and make sure that we're kind of honing in and focusing on what our customers need.

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Transcript

Neal Schaffer:

If influencers are creating their own products, why aren't product or service based businesses trying to become more influential on social media? We're going to find out the why, and the how you can show up and yield influence in social media for your business. In this next episode of The maximize your social influence podcast. Welcome to the maximize your social influence podcast with Neal Schaffer, where I help marketers, entrepreneurs and business owners grow their businesses using innovative marketing techniques, leveraging the concept of digital influence throughout digital and social media. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode number two to six. That's right, we are already up to number 226. of maximize your social influence. Thank you for coming along in the journey. My name is Neal Schaffer, and I help your business spark growth through uniquely innovative data driven and digital first approach to marketing. I do this as a fractional cmo marketing consultant on a one to one basis or trying to help as many marketers, business owners and entrepreneurs as I can through my digital first group coaching membership community. Today, we have a very special interview. Now, the interview is with a pair that called themselves the product boss. Now, their focus obviously is on product based businesses and how to digitally market them. And a lot of it does come down to the human relationship or influence aspect. However, their advice, I believe, is and they would agree it's equally applicable for service based businesses. So if you're looking for a new way to generate new revenue, leveraging social influence, this interview is for you. Without further ado, here are the product boss. All right, I'd like to welcome Jacqueline and Mina, otherwise known as the product boss to the maximize your social influence podcast, Jacqueline Mena. Welcome. Hi, thanks so much for having us. The product boss, that's anytime there's a brand name of a podcast with Boston it, that's a really sort of ballsy move. So I'd like to understand about your history and sort of what you know, what is who are the product boss,

Jacqueline Snyder:

you can tell what year we named named the podcast, right? That boss, the boss name that I had Mina?

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

Sure, I think when we started naming the podcast, we really started in a way where we saw that product business owners really did not know how to level themselves up, they were always stuck with this loop in their head at this limiting belief that I'm just not good at business. And we really wanted to draw those people out that raise their hand of I want to be better at business, I want to know my numbers, I want to create an income for my family, and to really build a business on and the way that I want. So that's kind of how we landed on the product boss. But we really started off as two friends that hit it off very well with a love language of business. And and we also were both products business owner. So we knew about inventory, shipping manufacturing words that service base people don't have to worry about at all, but it lives in the world of product. And that's kind of it at the very beginning.

Neal Schaffer:

Gotcha. So at the heart of it the product boss, and well, I have a cheat sheet right in front of me. But you're all about helping product based businesses, product based business owners basically grow their business. Is that a cash assumption?

Jacqueline Snyder:

Yeah. So that's you could look out at the podcast world and digital marketing. And so much of it is geared towards service based businesses or coaches service space. And I am a fashion designer by trade. I've launched at over 1000 brands and startup brands were my consulting business was very much a service business. But old school, it was pre, you know, courses and digital marketing. It was I had an office and people came to me and I built their brands. And so what I was looking for at that point, when podcasting was sort of coming up, before we kind of started this was a community out there a digital online community and coaches that understood the coaching world, right. And so that's what I found. And then I found Mina because she had also gone to a similar podcasting coach, and was also looking for help. But there, there weren't the experts out there that were talking to product base. And so we saw that gap in the market where, you know, there are podcasts about Amazon and Etsy and they're very nation specific to certain sales channels and platforms. But what we saw was like who's out there speaking to the small business owner, the person who wants to build this empire in their living room, I'm like Nina said and, and I think sometimes it's hard for them to to relate to the word CEO, for example. So that word boss, because ultimately they don't want to work for other people. They don't want a boss they want to be their own boss, the boss their own business, and so it was really giving them permission but also this access to edgy where they could level up their physical product based businesses. Okay, so disclaimer, if you're listening to so far, and you're like, well, I'm

Neal Schaffer:

a service based business, I'm out of here, don't go away. Because I need the advice is going to be even though it's focused on product phase, the the the advice is really going to be universal. So stick around. So let's start to uncover this, you mentioned like Etsy, and very, very simple way of thinking about a product based business. I have digital downloads, I can go to Etsy, and I can download my Canva templates are and, and I am someone who has bought something like that before. But and we talked about this, before we started the podcast, I would always gravitate towards not the brand name, but the person name behind the product. Can you explain how marketing products has really changed in the age of social media? You talked about this hybrid, you know, person business approach? I'd like you to go deeper into that for audience.

Jacqueline Snyder:

Yeah, I think this is great for everyone, whether you're a digital product or physical product is that what we've seen is people buy from people. So so many times I see people who are coaches, digital marketers, they're comfortable being on camera, typically are comfortable with their voice being heard comfortable standing on stage, or they have to work to get there. What we see is businesses is that a lot of times the business owner wanted to be behind the scenes of their product, their product was word facing, that's what they sold. But what we've seen is people buy from people. So no matter what you're doing, if you're building a business right now, it really is about that relationship. And I think we saw this in 2020, it was very much about the relationship you created with your customers, with your community, with your followers, we showed up for each other, and they came to us for that. So and I'll have me elaborate on that more. But some of our biggest product based business owners are actually influencers, but by default, so they will have started a product business. And let's say they're using social media as their main sort of marketing platform, if they bring it people see their face, they understand it, they trust them, they answer questions, they show, you know their life and lifestyle. And that's the thing that I find customers are hooking on to, because if you are not a Nike, or you know, a, I don't know, anthropology, or some big, big brand that has millions of dollars of ad budget, sometimes your products don't stand alone on their own. So it's the story behind it. And a lot of times that story is the business owner, or the story of why you started it and what your product does for your customers.

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

Right. And before when people were starting up in digital marketing, it really was about getting as much attention as you could attention was the currency that everybody wanted. But really, as we've gone through 2020, bonded with our customers shown our faces more the currency is trust. It's really about getting customers to be obsessed with you. And it's harder for them to be obsessed with you trust you feel like they're part of your life or that you resonate, or they resonate with your part of life, when it's a product that's forward facing versus a person that's telling you why the product matters to you, and why it matters to them. Right. So there's a bond that happens. And so really what 2020 it really amplified the fact that the small business is the hero. And we're really seeing a lot of people take what they have the courage that they had to even become entrepreneur, entrepreneur in the first place. And do it in a way where they show up on social media, showing their faces more and more, perhaps, their voices, you know, if they're not as comfortable, they're showing the process, if they're makers of making something behind the scenes, or even sharing a little bit of their story, there's a little bit of fear of being seen when it comes to being a product based business, because you didn't start thinking that you would have to go there, you didn't start thinking that I have to show up on camera, I am very much an introvert. And before I and I have a product business, too, I rarely shown my face there. But I know that in order to take it to a really quick, you know, way of connecting with my customer the know like and trust, the best and fastest and most effective way. Also long lasting way is to show up with my face and to do it with probably video audio, something to do with the senses. So then people understand that I'm a genuine person selling a genuine product, and that I truly want them to enjoy it and live you haven't in their life.

Neal Schaffer:

Okay, there were a lot of quotable takeaways there. So I'm gonna take a deep breath. But the two of you speak to so many trends and conclusions that I've come to as well about digital marketing that it comes down to relationships comes down to storytelling. And I've always thought that branding also came down to this emotional attachment. I will always buy Tylenol. I always I will never buy generic brand. I have an emotional attachment that that brand has created over time. And although some brands can do that, on another podcast to mine the School of influence, we interviewed the CMO of Moz rotti. And she said we don't use influent the car is the influencer so if you get to that product Nirvana where your product is the everyone wants to take a picture together with the product like Starbucks. That's awesome. Right? But for 99% of us That's not the point. So as every business talks about humanizing themselves, well, the best way to do it is to get out there. Right? So I'm curious, when it's your business, and you're a solopreneur, it's easy to what about when you build a team? Are you finding product based businesses having success showing all their team out there on social media? What would be your suggestion there?

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

I think that they have if they've hired the right people, so whenever we coach people to hire on for their team, it's values based. So you hire for values before you hire for skill, because you can always teach skill. So when you start to develop your team, and develop your business, people can start to really acquire the sense of talking about your story, their brand, in a kind of like a more like it's alive, alive brands, you know, like I living, evolving, changing thing. And so when you have the right team members, sometimes they're able to show that, you know, even when you think of influencers and spokespeople, you know, back in the day, we call them spokespeople, right? So influencers nowadays, they really have to genuinely resonate with the brand, they have to talk about their own stories, they have to show in use and showing an action. So even with a team, it's very similar in that way to the person has to have that ability to speak in in a way to speak about it in a way that feels genuine to the audience, the customer, so they will stick around, otherwise, they won't stick around, they might you might attract them from the very beginning, like grab their attention, but they won't continue to follow you buy from you and stick with you.

Jacqueline Snyder:

But I'll add to that. So if you think about some of those places, we've all gone to where it's like behind the scenes factory tour, right? Like you've gone to Italy, you need to get a factory tour of like a leather handbag company, or I live by, you know, like Hershey's in Hershey, Pennsylvania, where you can go in and see how the chocolate is made. So even if you don't want to bring one of your employees on as the face of a brand, or even speaking, sometimes I think it'd be great like, Hey, here's our head maker, or here's a person who's shipping all your packages, but you can also show the how it's made. They love to see behind the scenes imagine like all the places we've ever been when we stopped. So there's a factory tour, I'd love to see how it's made. Because I think that you could definitely incorporate that behind the scenes. Because again, so let's just say anyone that's out there is like, I really don't want to be the face of my brand. That's okay, you can then just show behind the scenes, you can personify your products and ways you can send emails that are like a note from the maker, a note from our creative director. And it can sound like it's from you, right? So they can relate to the creative director. And it could sound like it's from you. But you don't necessarily have to be the face of the brand. So I think you can really think about it. But no matter what, like Nina said, there's somebody who's knocking her off on Amazon right now, right? And she's like, this is straight up a company from China that's copied everything that she says about her business and flipped it. So right. So the thing is, is if Mina can step forward, as these are the two girls that you help support, when you buy it from this brand, like this is the family that's packing and shipping all of your products, then all of a sudden, they have this heart connection to it. And I think it does, you know, even if he never wanted to get on and say a single thing. She could show sort of the behind the scenes. And what's really interesting is it also allows you as the business owner to scale. I've seen this specifically in our world of podcasting. You know, I was at podcast movement last week and the keynote although john Lee Dumas was there, the keynote was by Kate Erickson, right, it was his significant other but and she was talking about entrepreneurs, and I've seen Pat Flynn do this, and have a brand new podcast, that's all run by his staff. Because as a business owner, time is a very, very precious asset, you

Neal Schaffer:

may not have the time, that's another another reason why you want to include your staff. But I love me to that that comment that it has to be the same value, it has to be they have to be ingrained in your culture for your work. Right. So I'm curious, you know, I always want to get to like the influencer perspective on things as we talked about earlier. So if you don't want to be in front of your camera, you mentioned there's the storytelling the behind the scenes. I'm also curious, you know, when I see pictures of people posting together with product, and these are might be nano influencers, maybe maybe people I know, I think that that's that can also be pretty powerful as this part of the advice that you might give a business owner especially if they're a little bit shy, or even if they're already on camera just to give multiple perspectives

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

100% I think that when you're really shy, you might be great at curating the right people to talk about your brand, but it really takes the time to get to know that person. So everybody's not going to be great at you know, using your product. So a lot of it is relationship building. So you have to kind of vet those people get on their radar check to see what their story is because it really customers or consumers are so savvy, they're smarter than they've ever been before they can cut through the you know, they can cut through the in genuineness or disingenuous of a story told by an influencer. So the influencer has to be able to develop their own story how they speak how they talk. That's why their audience engage with them. And so it really is about the story and how it's told by the influencer, why they're using this particular vitamin regimen in the morning, why they're using this, you know, hair product or whatever it is. But it's more than just the product. It is really about the reason why that influencer is using it in their life. And then also why the customer would want to to they aspire to be like the influencer.

Jacqueline Snyder:

And I've seen it so there's the influencer route, which like you said, nano influencers, micro influencers, we really see it effective that like 20 to 50,000 followers, I had a client, the Paris Hilton posted her pajamas, and it did zero like nothing for her. Right? I haven't the same client then had someone who people came to follow her for style and shopping. And she posted and then it made sense, right? Because the the following was there for what the influencer was posting. The other thing we really see people do so influencers have really changed some businesses that we've worked with, and in terms of like a really great hit. There's also ones that are duds, right? It doesn't do anything, but that's okay, because I think you get the content affiliates. So our non affiliates are brand ambassadors kind of same thing. But brand ambassadors where they can, they can ultimately make money on what they sell for you, or they can get discounts on the product from you. And then their return to that is that they get to talk about it, they get to be first to market with it, they get to you know, show how they use the product. And so we've really seen brand ambassador programs work well, because they are very much micro influencers. And they have their own pool of people that they look to them. And say like that, because like, for example, Amina, this woman doesn't even know this. But mean, I followed her friend from high school, I think it was on Facebook or Instagram. And she was using an ice roller for her face. And she's not a true and she won't get on Amazon for $11. By the way. She's not a true influencer. But she influenced Mina by using this product and constant using the product. Well, guess what? Now Mina uses it. So now she's influencing our

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

fellow aliens of people out there buying ice rollers? Probably because we use this example quite a bit. Because we all have our sphere of influence, you know, and there's people that trust you to a certain level. So sometimes, you know, if that engagement is high, you'll be able to hit them with the right message.

Neal Schaffer:

Yeah, you're I mean, you're both speaking my language and the language that anybody that's been listening to this podcast or read the age of influence is very familiar with. And I also just anecdotally, the meet with so many successful product based business owners, and they base their success on just finding people, some are more influential than others, but social media users sending them product, making sure they find the right people. And it's normally the business owner, that's or someone very close to the business owner, that's, that's sending a direct message, you know, telling the story very in a very authentic way, and seeing their business, you know, blow up from that. I'm just curious, is that you know, one of the most successful ways to grow a product based business today, would you think?

Jacqueline Snyder:

It's a good question, and it goes back to what we said that people buy from people, whether they're going to buy from you, or they're going to buy from an influencer, they're buying from a person that they know, like, and trust. So I think no matter what it's thinking about that, it is absolutely a strategy that works. We've seen people do it, we don't ever recommend, just like dropping a bomb into their, you know, dm and being like, Hey, I'm gonna give you all these things, you know. So we really we like to say like 10 points of contact, like you kind of circle them and you you comment, you respond to their stories you follow? Like, you're just really truly authentic with them. And then they start to notice, we've had some of the some of the biggest podcasters ever back when we were starting recognize us because we weren't really following them. And then we sent a DM and that started the conversation. So I think that it's absolutely a very good strategy, we have a course called multi stream machine, which is basically the concept is how I don't know if you've heard the saying that millionaires are millionaires because they have seven streams of income. So we believe the same for product based businesses where a product based business needs to have multiple streams of revenue in order to grow. One of them is on social media, let's say or with influence, because they're selling for you. And then other ways that we've seen people grow is by diversifying their sales platform. So it might be by getting wholesale orders like getting on wholesale or getting on Amazon. So it's really the idea of being in front of other people's audiences, we say, oh, pp, but other people's audiences and influencers would be a really good organic strategy that really the only cost usually is product, we don't necessarily recommend paying for that necessarily.

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

But if they get a cut, I feel like it is a really fair exchange, because any sales platform you go to, you know, Etsy takes 5%, Amazon takes 15% You know, there is an exchange that happens that those become your partners. That's why it's really important when you find eminence, influencers, that they become a relationship that you build upon. You know, when Jacqueline was saying, you know, that we recommend a 10 touch points. It's because you're gauging the relationship. So while you're seeing if they're a good fit for your business, and if you're a good fit for them, you're also seeing if they're genuinely interested in engaging in their audience, you know, at that point, you have no idea relationship with them. So if they're doing a back and forth with you, then they clearly have this skill to sell, they have this skill to engage. And so you're you need to find the right people for representing your brand. And that's in even in the sales platforms that you're on the, you know, the influencers who work with the wholesalers that you work with, for example, all of it really is about relationship building and an understanding that it is a partnership in a lot of ways, especially if they get a cut. When Jacqueline, I talk about digital marketing, we talk about three different buckets, one is paid. Second is organic, which we're huge fans up and the third is partner meaning they get a cut. So that's like, like I said, all those percentages and that sort of thing. It all is woven together into this marketing plan that happens for your business in order to scale.

Neal Schaffer:

Yeah, amen. Love it. And I'm curious it, you know, we focused really on getting the person out there, you need to be a person based business, leveraging influencers, brand ambassadors, affiliates, what have you, of all the brands that you've you've helped build, or all the business owners that you teach, I'm assuming that these are some of the successful things that these business owners have done. Are there any other ones that you should point out that you need to be paying attention to? If you haven't been if you're a product based business owner listening

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

for product based business owners, people believe more is more. And so that really becomes their, the their demise? And a lot of ways, because when you're on social platforms, you're like, they want to hear about more things. When you're on sales platforms, like let's even say Etsy, you think, Oh, I need to have more products. But really, it's the flip of that, it's really focusing on what you do well, and having even a single product A lot of times or a single collection or line, that you know how to speak about very well, you know how to sell very well, you know how to incorporate partners that can help you sell those very well. And it really is about going deep and not wide. And I think that's really hard for people to understand even service based people. So service based people, usually you're selling a service, that's you, but they're usually comes with like a package, hey, I'm selling this package that have, you know, graphic design that I'm going to do for you, blah, blah, blah, that essentially is your product. But a lot of times people want to be everything to everybody. Oh, do you want me to do website? Do you want me to do you know? Yeah, everything and the kitchen sink? You know, do you want me to design your home. So a lot of times that it gets very confusing for both parties, you know, so a confused customer doesn't buy and they don't stick around either. So I think it's a really about that's one mistake that we see from a lot of people no matter what stage they're in, is that they tried to do too many things at once.

Neal Schaffer:

Any other now that we're covering mistakes, any other big mistakes you see happening out there today.

Jacqueline Snyder:

And you know, the flip up Mina said to you, because what she's saying as a mistake, it's niching down, but also it's leaning into your bestseller, basically. So as identifying what that is, I would say that probably the majority of the time, it's like product refinement, that's a huge mistake. Like Nina said, we look at product lines, we're like what's selling, and they keep trying to push all the things that aren't selling. And they do I think another thing is, is scaling too fast. So getting trying to get onto all the platforms at once trying to do all the things at once. There's no way you can build something with a stable foundation underneath it if you're trying too many things. So we're really very much about foundation and, and scaling. But then knowing that your business can keep up with it. One of the biggest things that we see that they deal with also is their pricing, they're not pricing correctly, they don't have the right inventory. They don't know what kind of inventory to have, right? They're shipping and they're shipping all the time. So systems is a big issue as a mistake. And I think it also pricing comes down to it. So you know, we're we like to keep it simple. And I think this goes for service and product. Because both of us we own a service business, right? We're digital marketers, we could come up with 100 different ideas of courses, and coaching programs, and masterminds and all the things but we try and stay sort of within our niche and make sure that we're kind of honing in and focusing on what our customers need. Yeah, sure, we can make everything but then we start to really water down what we're known for. And I think that's sort of the what encompasses what Mina said as well.

Neal Schaffer:

Yeah, that's really great advice and I think for all those influencers or one to be influencers that are listening this podcast and saying oh, I'm going to create a product like everybody else I'll go to Alibaba the drop there's obviously a heck of a lot more. I mean if it was that easy to make a million obviously everyone would be doing it and it isn't and there's a lot that goes into it. So hopefully just as a byproduct of listening to what Jacqueline just said you understand that so as we get to a close here is there for you know whether the whether the business owners product base or service base, really. We're going into 2022 we've seen the effects of Coronavirus. We know that we are truly digital first now we need to be in everything. We do going into the, you know, the New Year. Is there any, you know, one or two bits of advice that you'd like to give our listeners that we haven't covered so far?

Jacqueline Snyder:

Yeah, I can jump in first really seeing this like hybrid model of digital and in person, especially when it comes to, you know, products but the you go into it with social media. Where did you go last week?

Neal Schaffer:

Oh, podcast? Yeah,

Jacqueline Snyder:

podcast. Yeah. So probably at some, I don't know, I haven't left my house. I feel like in years now, it's the idea of going to live events. But I think what's going to be involved now is people are going to be able to buy digital tickets as well, right? So they don't have to leave their home, they get to see it no matter what, which just really maximizes the opportunity of being able to reach more people. And then there's, it's no longer that can I afford to travel can they get there Can I take off time for work. So that hybrid, you're seeing the same thing when it comes to product and ecommerce, I'll just give nordstroms for an example. nordstroms allows you to buy online and return in store, which is amazing, because before used to buy online, you had to return online, but you can also go between their different places. So you could buy something from Nordstrom and return it at Nordstrom Rack, you can buy online, so you can return in in multiple places. Because ultimately, they do want to get the customer back to in person, they tend to buy, you know, buy differently when they're in person, they can kind of market to them in a different way. But they want to also create ease, which is also the same idea as like curbside pickup, or drop off, or the idea of instacart and how people you know, have really moved into that digital getting, you know, physical goods delivered to them. So I see the hybrid not going away, and rather increasing. And if anyone's out there, it's really thinking through if you're going to have an in person event, is there also a digital component to it. If you're going to sell a product, can they meet you online and in person? Or can you know, what's the return policies and all that?

Minna Khounlo-Sithep:

Yeah, I love that. We're seeing that so much. I think for me, the best advice I can give to you is that small businesses are the hero and is your time to shine. So shine, step into it. And don't be afraid. Never has there really been a time where everybody's like been so conscious of their dollar, that you went through 2020, which was like a crisis of its own. And people saved a lot of money because they didn't leave their houses a good amount of time, right? So they're just starting to realize I have this money, what does it go towards. And people are just more conscious now because of everything that happened with 2020 social justice, the economy, the shift in working in a corporation and being in house, you know, and then walking into your house, all those things kind of culminated and and now we have this purchasing power. And we're like, oh, what go towards my spending now for the household. And so now small businesses are really the hero. So we know that we're the backbone of the economy, we know that we're the ones that account for over 40% of jobs in the economy. And we're coming together, Jacqueline and I actually founded the shop, one in five pledge, which is a commitment to shop one in five of your purchases from a small business. We aren't the only ones that are, you know, really trying to showcase small businesses, consumers and businesses alike are really coming together to make this matter more than it's ever mattered before, because we're coming out of squeaking out like very slowly rolling out of a pandemic. And we're starting to see that we have the power and control that we have is with our dollars. And so that's just been something really exciting. We've seen as we really seen people step forward, and that they're really shining, we're really pushing them to show up as small business owners and support each other, become a community, support your local community, as well as the online community of small businesses. And it'll be really exciting to see because it'll change what will happen for the future generations. You know, what goes in locally, what goes in online, all of that. So it's been really exciting to see just my best advice is to shine as bright as you can and think about where you're spending your money to, even if it's just one in five of your purchases. Still a very big deal.

Neal Schaffer:

Great advice. Mina, Jacqueline, thank you so much for bringing your experience and your wisdom and sharing it with our audience. Obviously, you have a podcast, you have a website, you have courses, you have the one in five, which might be on your website, give us a few places where listeners can go to to build a relationship with you and find out more about how you can help them how you can help their business.

Jacqueline Snyder:

Amazing. Thank you. So we're anywhere you listen to podcast, which is the product boss there's also the product class.com and we have our signature course which is multi stream machine. So that's multi stream machine comm but really to lean into what Mina was saying the shop one and five pledge. So that's shop one and five COMM And we actually created a small business shopping directory. So especially if you're listening to this in the fall and around the holidays, we'd ask you to take the pledge and then check out the directory it is there's hundreds of small businesses on there that you can shop from for anything, whether it's the holidays, back to school, just day to day apparel, and you know that you're doing your part to commit to you know, one in five of your purchases and also helping other small business owners.

Neal Schaffer:

Awesome. Thank you so much. I enjoyed it. So I know that my listeners well as well. And hopefully in the future we'll have you on again and as things evolve. I'm sure what you're going to be teaching and coaching evolves as well. So thank you once again. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Wasn't that a fantastic interview, there were so many sound bites. And even as we finish the episode, the recording I should saying we, we continue to talk, we agree that we could have kept on going on and on and on. What I love about their message is, it's authentic. It's passionate, and it's being on and they have the experience to prove it. So obviously, if that really resonated with you, please make sure you reach out to them all of their information. Well, they told it as well, but it's also going to be in the show notes. And I just wanted to thank you as well for listening in to another episode. If you enjoyed this episode. always appreciate the likes the subscribes every single one really does help expose this podcast to more and more people so that I can serve and help more and more people. But that's it. It's a wrap. Until next time, make it a great social day. buy, buy and sale nada